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time machine third eye feeling like an

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blast off

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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area 51

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my name is ryan the original overseer of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today my guest today it's such

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an honor he needs no introduction it's

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the amazing grant cameron with more

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accolades than i can even stammer to

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mention author of contact modalities

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recipient of the leads conference

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international researcher of the year and

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the ufo congress

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researcher of the year he rocketed into

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ufology in 1975 the year of my birth as

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the vietnam war ended in may the month

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of my birth with personal sightings of

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uap ufo type object

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and

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sightings which led to decades of

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research into

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the early work done by the canadian

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government after experiencing a mental

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download event grant cameron on february

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he turned his research away from nuts

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and bolts research to the role of

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consciousness in the ufo phenomenon

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he has authored more books than i can

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mention triangles aliens and messages

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managing magic the government's ufo

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disclosure plan ufos area 51 and the

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government informants

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breakthrough the psilocybin school

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charlie red star true reports of one of

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north america's biggest ufo sightings

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and more as you will soon find out

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a hero of mine grant cameron welcome to

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the hero paranormal podcast well thank

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you ryan i appreciate you having me on

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and i appreciate your interest in what

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i really do believe it is the uh the

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future and as usual i mean first i i

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can't thank you enough for coming on the

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show and speaking with me about things

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you're such a wealth of information when

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it comes to consciousness we have

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similar interests when it comes to

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skinwalker and utahs you win a basin in

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general

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and the list goes on and on so um

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let me start right out of the gate and

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ask you about your johns hopkins

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psilocybin research which i find

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enthralling i mean you're not doing this

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in your backyard this is this is real

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research uh taking place at johns

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hopkins correct

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yeah well basically where it came from

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it all started i mean i did the ufo

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thing from 75 through to 2012.

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but when i had that consciousness

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download it was what is referred to as

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noetic

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uh information so it's not um

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information it's inside knowledge like

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you know when it happens this is how it

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works it comes with it comes with

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absolute certainty which is the hardest

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thing that people

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have to figure out if you haven't had

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the experience it's hard to really wrap

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your head around that is that you know

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this is how it works so i had that

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experience i was so blown away with it

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that i started to look around i said

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well somebody else could have this

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experience and the first one i came

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across was paul mccartney with the song

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yesterday where he got in a dream and he

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wrote it all down there's a piano in the

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room he he got up and he

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recorded this and he ran around for a

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month asking people uh did did you heard

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this song before and i said no i've

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never heard this song because he thought

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someone else had written it he was that

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sure this song had been written and so

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it was this idea that you can get into a

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and get the material so if there's no

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time and space and you see that in in

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modern world we're starting to look at

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this there may it may be all happening

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here and now there is no out there out

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there it's all happening in inside your

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head it's all there's no time and space

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which would indicate that everything is

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in the field and you can grab this

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material of the field so that's what i

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started to do when i when i saw the

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i was just sort of blown away by this

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facility where they were taking people

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the stronger contact modalities but

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we we could actually show that you can

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actually change your your consciousness

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you can trend transition into another

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whatever whatever it is another level

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radio station and we're able now in some

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ways to be able to turn the dial and

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pick up another station and so when i

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um remote viewing which if you actually

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look at remote viewing and you look at

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the guys who are really good at like joe

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you go you go like this is just

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unbelievable like all you're doing is

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you're closing your eyes and according

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to mcmonugal is the only thing you have

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to do is clear your mind you have to get

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everything out of your mind whatever you

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interfere with the target and then

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basically whatever the target is somehow

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your consciousness is able to know what

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the target is go to the target whether

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it's past present future and stuff like

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that and that just that just when you

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doing with quantum physics shut up and

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of this thing how can we make some

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weapons and that's i think where we've

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gotten my interest is always still in

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it's a lie it's a big giant chess game

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young kid and it's the idea is when the

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guy makes a weird move you look at it

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why why did that piece move and you do

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piece until you know why that guy moved

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the piece he saw something he's looking

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at something and that's to me is so the

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the ufo thing is always to me as a giant

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the 95 percent but i'm also more

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interested in the five percent anomalies

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because that's where the discoveries are

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going to come from when there's an

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anomaly ryan that means you've got

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something wrong you you you haven't got

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this thing figured out and when you

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figure out what you've got wrong you're

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gonna make a discovery you may have a

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nobel prize you may have a new patent or

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whatever it's the anomalies they're the

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important things they're telling us

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something that you believe is not

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individual who spoke with me many years

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biochemical portals which is exactly

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meditation stuff but i never really got

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the even the chemicals that they used

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did the 26 high dose sessions i did 16

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and i put them in the first book called

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the psilocybin school so basically what

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like a roller coaster once you get on

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coaster and you never know what's going

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to happen and it's not like

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say a meditation thing where you have

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some sort of control uh you're totally

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out of control but you're you're you're

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going to get in the field whether you

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fascinated with that to to to do this

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what i did is i just basically said okay

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i'm saying okay i'm here what do i need

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to learn and i got for the first 16

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sessions i got a lot of stuff it was

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like every lesson was different um it is

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some of it was you know when you're

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going in what i call the um

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the sort of the um the negative aspect

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of you'll hear in phil simon and that is

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what i believe was the ego which i think

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is a big big thing if you've got to

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understand the ego situation that is our

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ego our conscious mind that's blocking

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things it's the one that's creating the

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signal uh the

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signal he's creating a noise that you

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can't hear the signal the signal is

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there for everybody to hear and what's

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so what's so simon does is they know

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college is that basically it knocks out

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the default mode network so it knocks

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out the same thing as joe mcmonagle you

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got to clean clear your mind you've got

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to shut down the little voice in your

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does it shuts this default mode network

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down shuts the ego down and suddenly

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you're thrown into this field and it can

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be very traumatic because the little ego

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doesn't want to die the little ego wants

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to stay in control and basically that

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that's sort of the main problem we have

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is that the ego is sort of running the

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show and when the ego is dying i even

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have this joker i say uh people say well

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it's just random everything's happening

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random as we're biological robots in a

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random meaningless universe i say really

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take a look at your body there's 330

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billion cells die in your human body

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every day and they are

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they are replaced by 330 billion cells

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of 200 different types and and these

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cells are building these things there's

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100 trillion atoms in each cell and

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you're telling me that these atoms are

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just accidentally going together to make

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cells and and people don't really worry

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about that they never questioned the

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thing that we have all these cells dying

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and

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concerned is when the ego cell starts to

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die then it's like a phone 9-1-1 i mean

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look at that and so when you get when

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you have this psilocybin thing when

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you're taking a high dose

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the ego is going to get taken out and it

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can be very ugly you'll hear people

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talking about panthers ripping them

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apart and stuff like that and i had some

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really really traumatic situations and

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it was always the idea where you're

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trying to stay in control and that's the

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same with near-death experiences you'll

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hear people have the bad near-death

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experiences those are people who are

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trying to control the situation they're

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trying they're trying to hang on the ego

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is trying to hang on and they go through

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this horrible thing and your ego is

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going to die and it can be very very

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ugly as as to what they do to to make

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you shut down and because basically

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that's the thing is they got to take it

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out of the way and the ego is fighting

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stay alive and you see yourself dying or

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whatever it is

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but once you get through that once once

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the ego is taken out

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then you enter this field where

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you're you're talking to

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uh beings almost the same as the uh uh

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dmt

334
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situation where strasbourg as strassman

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was doing it in the 1990s in new mexico

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and he had 50 percent of all the people

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claimed that they were seeing beings

338
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these beings and 25 of them were talking

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about the abduction experience and so he

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went to these people and said hey

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do you think you've been abducted

342
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they're going no

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and that he kept it secret that was one

344
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of the reasons he quit the research he

345
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was so blown away by the fact that these

346
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people were saying these these beings he

347
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couldn't explain this and i even had an

348
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uh an ai guys an ai expert who

349
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um actually helped me leak the wilson

350
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leak document he was the guy that helped

351
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me put the document out and he he was

352
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just very interested he ttsa wanted to

353
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hire

354
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uh different companies going after him

355
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he's a very very smart guy i remember

356
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the one time he contacted me said i had

357
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i did the dmt thing last night he said i

358
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had a classic abduction experience i

359
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said you did tell me about it he said

360
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yeah i was on a table he says and these

361
00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:04,480
beings were there and i said what were

362
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they doing he said they were working on

363
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my head and you remember this is like an

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ai expert and he said they're working on

365
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my head and and and i could see their

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arms i couldn't see their faces but i

367
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could see their very thin arms and stuff

368
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like that and i was just blown away by

369
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that because that's the whole thing is

370
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when you start looking at that you start

371
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to say

372
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what's really going on with the

373
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abduction experience i'm about to

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release an interview i i posted on my um

375
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on my facebook and and twitter i posted

376
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this interview with the head of mufon

377
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for for japan

378
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and this guy has had a number of uh

379
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abduction type experiences

380
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and he worked on meditation for 20 years

381
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and then he also so he got into uh

382
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autobody experience he went to the

383
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monroe he's got the training from the

384
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monroe institute gateway uh course and

385
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he learned to go out of his body and he

386
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said the first place i want to go was i

387
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want to go back to the aliens and i

388
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wanted to talk to the aliens so he had

389
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developed this this technique

390
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of talking to them and he was one of the

391
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ones that flew the ship and that's where

392
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i say the consciousness if you don't

393
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think consciousness is important to ufos

394
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you've got to look at the 50 and i've

395
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got like maybe i told them i said you're

396
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the 51st person that told me this story

397
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and you'll get people and they say hey i

398
00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:16,399
was on the craft and then and then they

399
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said you want to fly the craft and i've

400
00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:19,839
got like 50 people have flown the craft

401
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:22,560
and and i said to this guy uh peter from

402
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:25,040
from japan i said okay

403
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you're the 51st guy tell me how to

404
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:28,720
flatter craft i i've heard about it and

405
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he told exactly the same story as

406
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everybody else tells he's on the ship

407
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and he sits in this chair and there's

408
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:35,440
this panel and they say okay go ahead

409
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:36,639
and he said well i can't reach the panel

410
00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:37,600
he said you don't have to reach the

411
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panel he's sitting in this molded chair

412
00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:41,199
and some sometimes they put their hand

413
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on a panel sometimes they put on a ball

414
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:45,120
and the craft is alive everybody says

415
00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:46,720
the same thing i suddenly realized hey

416
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:49,040
the craft is alive it's actually a

417
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:51,680
living being and i merge with it i

418
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,160
become one with the craft and when i

419
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,079
become one then whatever i think is what

420
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:58,160
the craft does and i could fly wherever

421
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:00,000
i want i can do whatever i want and

422
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:02,480
that's the critical thing is that that

423
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,880
is how you fly a flying saucer so when

424
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:06,320
you see the wilson leaked document at

425
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the very end of the wilson league

426
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,519
document they say we think we have a

427
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,920
craft and we think we can fly it that

428
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,160
means they've got an intact craft and

429
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,639
they cannot turn it on because you need

430
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,320
a consciousness interface to turn the

431
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:20,320
craft on you can have that's the right

432
00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:21,760
sort of laugh at the people with them

433
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,959
with the medals you know they're chasing

434
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:25,040
after these pieces of metal and i say

435
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:27,040
this metal it's like every single piece

436
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:28,720
is different it's dropping out of the

437
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:30,959
sky i said the jackpot yeah this is kind

438
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,360
of weird john i mean they fly across the

439
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:35,600
the universe they they avoid galaxies

440
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,040
and black holes and they finally get

441
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:38,560
here and then little pieces start

442
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,759
falling off the flying saucer this

443
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:41,360
doesn't make any sense as they start

444
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,839
crashing and it seems to me like i'm

445
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,839
i've just got a book called on a porch

446
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:47,680
called weird coming out and i talked

447
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,680
about this this whole deal that this is

448
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:51,199
a ports they're dropping this stuff on

449
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,720
purpose and that's when jacques says to

450
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,440
me well the gifting the gifting id said

451
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,120
i think i came up with that idea and

452
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,120
that's the idea that the crashes are

453
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,199
actually done on purpose even bigelow

454
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,560
said that i think they're seeding them

455
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:05,759
around around the planet or the tyler d

456
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:08,800
the famous guy from from nasa

457
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:11,279
who um went to the gifting field and he

458
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:13,360
goes and he prays at the gifting field

459
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and and they they build these altars and

460
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:17,600
they called it the gifting field that

461
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:18,880
these things are being dropped on

462
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:21,199
purpose to like breadcrumbs to help us

463
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,000
along and so i think we've sort of

464
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,920
missed the whole boat on the

465
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:27,600
on the consciousness thing because we're

466
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,800
so into the material thing of thinking

467
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,480
that we can make money i remember one

468
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,279
very very rich guy one time uh came to

469
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,519
me he got into ufo field for a couple of

470
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:39,120
years and then he dropped out again and

471
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i remember him saying to me said grant i

472
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,680
got a question for you

473
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,120
how the hell do you make any money at

474
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:45,360
this thing i said i don't know

475
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:47,600
and that's true there really is not any

476
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:48,480
money in that but that's what

477
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,440
everybody's trying to do they're trying

478
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,160
to do supplied ufology of trying to make

479
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:54,240
uh weapons and stuff and that's what

480
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,759
what happened during world war ii i

481
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:58,079
think what we changed our attitude was

482
00:17:02,710 --> 00:16:59,920
before world war ii

483
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:02,720
everything was it was was exploratory so

484
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:05,039
you had einstein bohr

485
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:06,559
schrodinger all these guys and they're

486
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,600
trying to figure out how does the world

487
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,039
work and they discovered this quantum

488
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,880
mechanics thing all these weird things

489
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:12,160
they go this is so weird they're trying

490
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,079
to figure it out and as soon as world

491
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:15,839
war ii came along they developed the

492
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,600
atomic bomb using all this quantum

493
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,439
physics stuff and suddenly they realized

494
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,600
like holy cow shut up and calculate we

495
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:23,360
don't need to know how it works we have

496
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:25,120
we don't need to know we just need to

497
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,400
make stuff and they made so much

498
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,559
material that after world war ii we

499
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,400
stopped investigating we start we

500
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:32,559
stopped the curiosity thing and all we

501
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,799
said is get the calculation and make

502
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:37,280
cell phones make bombs make whatever and

503
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,559
that's that's where we've gone with this

504
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:40,880
thing so uh whether we're ever going to

505
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:43,120
figure it out because uh you you get the

506
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,400
government and they'll say we're working

507
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,799
on ufos and i've talked to a lot of

508
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,720
people i just interviewed i interviewed

509
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,640
chris bledsoe for example i said to him

510
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:53,360
i said chris you have thirty thousand

511
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,520
photos and videos did they contact you

512
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:57,280
and he said no they can contact me and i

513
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,160
talked to deborah cobble who is the the

514
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,120
main figure for intruders and her file

515
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,360
was sold by carpenter who was a

516
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,919
researcher in abduction stuff in 1990

517
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,320
was sold the bigelow so bigelow has her

518
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:12,559
file on her abduction and i said you

519
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,840
know you're in the file did they ever

520
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,360
come and talk to you said no never talk

521
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,799
to me and that's the whole thing are

522
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,880
they really investigating or are they

523
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,400
doing the shut up and calculate thing

524
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,720
are they getting the material and trying

525
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,320
to develop stuff and they really don't

526
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,320
care about the experiencers and what's

527
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,440
really going on yes and i'm glad you're

528
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,360
going in this direction because what are

529
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,039
your overall thoughts on the book

530
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:35,360
skinwalkers at the pentagon or parts

531
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,760
that resonated with you the most

532
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,440
oh when i when i read the book i thought

533
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,559
it was one of the best books i'd ever

534
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,880
written but as soon as i said i i said i

535
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,039
had a couple impressions and the number

536
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,640
one one was you know how they complain

537
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:48,160
they say ah man you know these all these

538
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,200
crazy

539
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:51,440
fanatic religious people in the pentagon

540
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:53,120
and they're all nuts and they they all

541
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,039
think this is demons and i said if you

542
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:57,440
take out the the story in the skinwalker

543
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,120
ranch book about the the uh um the the

544
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,440
tic tac story and all that stuff that

545
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,039
does look like demons that's exactly

546
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,720
what it sounds like it sounds like

547
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,960
demons to see these evil things and and

548
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,880
they're going after people and they're

549
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:12,559
they're they're mysterious even the

550
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,840
whole deal was when lukowski goes on to

551
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,000
the thing and this is where i say when i

552
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,240
look at it differently i i he goes on

553
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,000
there and he sees this thing and it's

554
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:24,000
almost like the phenomenon is saying oh

555
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:25,120
look

556
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,919
we're

557
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,000
finally you're here he finally showed up

558
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,400
and they show him the symbol of what he

559
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,799
describes this from tubular bells from

560
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,520
this cover album that's the music for

561
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,640
exorcist and i'm going wow i mean who

562
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:40,240
would not if you went back to the

563
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,600
pentagon to a an evangelical christian

564
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,960
guy and told him that you signed that

565
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,799
saw this sign that was off the music for

566
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,640
the for the exorcist what do you think

567
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,160
the guy is going to think of course and

568
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,360
you're saying these all these evil

569
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,600
things and to me it was it was this

570
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,200
thing that again they're trying to

571
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,120
they're trying to sell it so the reason

572
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,880
i believe they brought the skinwalker

573
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,240
ranch book out is because they got this

574
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:02,799
thing in senate and and if you remember

575
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,600
back in the obama administration uh

576
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,679
leslie kane wrote the big book at that

577
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,120
time which was before it was done by

578
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,520
john podesta and in there she said well

579
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,120
they may be a threat to airline traffic

580
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,320
and everybody sort of laughed and went

581
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,320
yeah i can get out of here and the thing

582
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,200
is the old idea is if you want money

583
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:21,200
there's a 740 billion dollar defense

584
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,559
budget if you want money you've got to

585
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,679
scale the living daylights out of

586
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,600
everybody because you've got to sell it

587
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,039
they're not going to give you any money

588
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,640
just to figure out where aliens from who

589
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,159
cares it's not our job

590
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,080
we're not interested but if you say well

591
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,280
they're going to they're going to eat us

592
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,799
and they're gonna shoot our planes down

593
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,640
and stuff then you create this threat

594
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,760
scenario so that's what i think the

595
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,080
whole book was about but a big part of

596
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,480
the book that that that i noticed was

597
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,120
this whole idea of um the the whole

598
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,880
thing about the imports about this stuff

599
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,799
appearing and disappearing and how the

600
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,280
phenomenon reacts to people so what i

601
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,559
say is and i'm doing a book on this and

602
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,880
i i i have a chapter that's actually

603
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,559
turning into a book on the evil alien

604
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:00,320
thing about

605
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,200
people get injured and why do certain

606
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,720
people not get injured so they'll play

607
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,880
the scenarios that oh it's a threat and

608
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,960
if you get close to these things uh

609
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,320
you're gonna get fried your brain's

610
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,159
gonna get fried or whatever i go well i

611
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,559
was within 500 meters five times never

612
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,120
nothing ever happened to me and what i

613
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,200
the sort of conclusion i've come to is

614
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,840
one of the things we we forget is this

615
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,679
idea that when you're on the craft when

616
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,039
you put your hand on the panel and you

617
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,360
become one with the crowd you are part

618
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,840
of what you're experiencing or as seth

619
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,000
the big chat the channeler in the 1960s

620
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,440
and 70s said

621
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,440
you manifest what happens around you

622
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,679
there is no other rule and people have

623
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,520
this idea that there's the phenomenon

624
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,520
and there's us it's the same thing it's

625
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,159
we're connected to the phenomena so when

626
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,840
you are uh for example i'll give you

627
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,320
these exact a couple examples you take

628
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,400
the skinwalker and the the rental from

629
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,960
forest incidents so you got the renders

630
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,360
from forest incident you have three guys

631
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,440
and this thing flares up

632
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,960
one guy is injured two guys aren't

633
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,440
injured the guy that's with the the

634
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,360
peniston who was around the craft and

635
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,200
touched the craft and was within two

636
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,039
feet of the craft for an hour and a half

637
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,720
didn't get injured and burros get

638
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,320
injured so the question to me always was

639
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,080
well why did burrows get injured why did

640
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,320
peniston get injured and if you take a

641
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
look at it it's this idea that you are

642
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,799
as chris bledsoe said chris brusso said

643
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,760
he was warned by nassau people that if

644
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,240
you are highly

645
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,440
excited

646
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,320
or very scared or very angry do not let

647
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,440
the orbs near you because you're going

648
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,960
to get injured because there is this

649
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,880
effect that you are putting out this

650
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,799
field and and and if you take a look at

651
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,039
deborah cobble when she got injured she

652
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,400
went out the first night her mother was

653
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,240
not injured the dog was injured the dog

654
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,760
died the mother was not injured the

655
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600
mother was close she was not close but

656
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,440
what did debra do she thought there was

657
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,600
a there was an intruder in the garage

658
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,679
and she took the gun it wasn't loaded

659
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,799
but she was going out there and she was

660
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
going to beat the living daylights out

661
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,760
of whoever was in that garage and she

662
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,440
was angry she was swearing she went out

663
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,760
there so it's this field thing so when

664
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,520
you get skinwalker ranch you take a look

665
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,200
at the guys in skinwalker ranch and i've

666
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,440
heard this story many times before is

667
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,960
these three guys walking down the road

668
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,080
and these are the guys that take the

669
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,400
hitchhiker thing home so these guys are

670
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,760
there and they're they're walking down

671
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,600
the field and when i read the skid

672
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:13,440
walker book their version of it they

673
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,720
suddenly suddenly

674
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,640
temperature drops 20 degrees and i'm

675
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,400
going hey it sounds just like a ghost

676
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
that ghost hunt you know in a house you

677
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,320
know the the the temperature drops and

678
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,679
then they back off and the temperature

679
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,200
goes back up again and they have this

680
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,760
fear this fear comes over them and this

681
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,280
field is there

682
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,559
and then they see this black thing

683
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,080
almost like a black

684
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,280
shadow thing there and and they they re

685
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,799
they realize according to the skinwalker

686
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,559
book they realize they take one more

687
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,440
step they're dead the story i heard was

688
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,880
that they actually got a voice in their

689
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,640
head and the voice in their head to all

690
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,960
three guys at the same time was leave

691
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,600
you are not welcome and so i kept asking

692
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,919
the question over the years i said hey

693
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,120
were these guys because i knew they're

694
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,440
special forces guys ex-military guys i

695
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,679
said hey were these guys armed were they

696
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,039
carrying weapons when they went there

697
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,799
and it's the old idea if you take a gun

698
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,799
to a ce5 get ready because

699
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,559
something's going to happen and this is

700
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,919
the idea they were confronting the

701
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,840
skinwalker and suddenly the skinwalker

702
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,600
was hunting them and that's the whole

703
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,080
deal is whatever your attitude is you've

704
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,760
got to realize that that this thing is

705
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,200
reflective to your attitude and that's

706
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,000
what brandon fugle said brandon fugle

707
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,240
said when the people who were injured on

708
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,840
the ranch those were he called it a

709
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,559
reflexive property i call it reflective

710
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,240
that it reflects the attitudes that

711
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,559
people go on there so what happens with

712
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,039
with them when when brandon fugo goes on

713
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,600
he says he prays before he goes on the

714
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,880
site it's the whole idea you've got to

715
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,960
get your mindset same as tyler d when

716
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:39,039
they go to the gifting field

717
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,400
diane pasulka said i couldn't believe it

718
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,240
he started to pray and it was this idea

719
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,320
that it is reflective that if you go in

720
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,000
there with a bad attitude and you're

721
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,640
angry get ready that it it it's a

722
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,360
neutral phenomena but it will react to

723
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,520
your your reaction so that was the

724
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,880
things that sort of stood out to me with

725
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,080
this book

726
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,840
all the import stuff it confirmed all

727
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
the import stuff and that's why they

728
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,520
went to that's why asap

729
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,440
went to skinwalker ranch

730
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,440
bigelow had it the reason they went

731
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,679
there was not because of ufos i

732
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,279
maintained now there was ufo stuff that

733
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,120
was involved but the main thing that

734
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,799
likowski went there because they were

735
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,120
reading the skinwalker original book in

736
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,640
the middle east and all these military

737
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,760
people were sitting around the pool

738
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,440
reading this book and they went oh my

739
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,520
goodness how the heck do you get four

740
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,039
bowls and put them inside a trailer

741
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,799
that's locked how do you do that how do

742
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,799
you how do you get inside someone's head

743
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,720
how do you make you know

744
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,279
you know animals mutilated how do you

745
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,880
all this sort of stuff and it's all this

746
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,279
paranormal phenomena and as i point out

747
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,440
contact modalities it's all the same

748
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,440
thing it's this this basic field

749
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,279
phenomena that you can do all this kind

750
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,960
of stuff so when likowski went there

751
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,400
they were going there to try to figure

752
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,120
out how do we actually back engineer

753
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,039
this stuff to use it for weapons and i

754
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,640
and i have a book coming out where i've

755
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,600
got a 1974 dia document where they

756
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,120
actually talk about reports so i'm

757
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:56,559
writing this book on the parts and what

758
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,320
they said in this 1974 dia document is

759
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,840
if we can

760
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,679
figure out how our ports work how do you

761
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,840
move things around in time and space we

762
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,000
can actually go and steal the enemy's

763
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,520
documents bring them read them

764
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,960
photograph them and then put them back

765
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,159
and they don't even know that we put

766
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,760
that we put them back and that's what

767
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,919
it's about it's this applied ufology

768
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,840
thing that we're trying to use to use it

769
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,520
to make money to make weapons and stuff

770
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,960
like that we really don't care how it

771
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,559
works that's why they went to skid

772
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,039
walker ranch that's the whole story now

773
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,480
uh you know they may have learned other

774
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,080
things from that but that was basically

775
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,840
what it was about and that's why i don't

776
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,600
think they'll ever release it to you

777
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,679
because they they really don't

778
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,440
understand that much it's like dr eric

779
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,520
walker when we talked to him in 1990s he

780
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,039
was a former president of penn state

781
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,720
university chairman of the board of the

782
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,640
institute for defense analysis which is

783
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,640
top military think tank and he told us

784
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,559
he said leave it alone he said unless

785
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,840
you have the mind of einstein you're

786
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,360
wasting your time

787
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,440
and he said about the esp thing what do

788
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,640
you know about espn unless you

789
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,159
understand about esp and how it works

790
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,840
you will not be taken in and that's what

791
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,960
i think it is is they're trying to

792
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,559
figure this thing out and they figured

793
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,840
this was a really good place they had

794
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,600
all this weird stuff going on there and

795
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,880
they were going to try to do it but the

796
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,200
phenomena basically shut them down and

797
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,200
and sent them packing and they they

798
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,279
started to learn this idea

799
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,440
of this reflective element that that

800
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,919
brandon fugle brings up that you be

801
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,279
better be careful when you go on the

802
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,039
ranch that you have the right attitude

803
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,320
when you go on there because you can get

804
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,000
seriously injured yeah the unseen realms

805
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,600
hold a lot of answers and what do you

806
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,279
what do you think areas like the uintah

807
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,080
basin of utah have to offer

808
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,000
as far as research into consciousness

809
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,039
and ufos in the future well that that's

810
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,760
where i say you look at the the whole uh

811
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,919
area not just skinwalker ranch if you

812
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,559
saw i i posted some photos of shadow

813
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,080
figures and i always make this joke

814
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,000
about they're giving us signals like

815
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,679
dream signs so you see these shadow

816
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,200
figures were picked up on this ranch

817
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,679
near skinwalker ranch where in both

818
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,679
cases the guy's wearing a hat so i say

819
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,399
well like so why is a shadow figure guy

820
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,919
wearing a hat like i mean if he comes

821
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,760
from hell whether they got the rain in

822
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,679
hell or what's going on and it's it's

823
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,760
easy and they saw like dream signs when

824
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,679
you see this you realize something's

825
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:07,919
going on and and i i always reflect back

826
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,120
to the whole thing where uh i was a big

827
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,720
fan of four big events happened in my

828
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,960
life one of them was i saw dr michael

829
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,840
newton lecture in in laughlin nevada and

830
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,840
he's into the life between life and he

831
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,840
told this story about some guy he leads

832
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,520
the guy into his past life lets the guy

833
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,320
die and the guys was in his last life

834
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,679
was a big fire brimstone preacher and he

835
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,480
he's he he goes he dies and news starts

836
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,840
saying what's happening next and go

837
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,360
through the light and also stuff and and

838
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,520
he says oh the devil's here and noon

839
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,559
says what do you mean that doubles here

840
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,919
and newton doesn't believe in the devil

841
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,520
he's going he mean the devil he's never

842
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,120
in seven thousand regardless he's never

843
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:45,279
come across the delicious you sure can't

844
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,320
you see me standing in front of you and

845
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,520
the guy's just freaking out he's

846
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,279
sweating and he says the devil's here i

847
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,799
can't believe it i spent my whole life

848
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,720
as a minister and now i'm facing the

849
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,039
devil and he said okay so uh what's he

850
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,720
look like and he said oh he's got

851
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,960
leathery skin and he's got fiery eyes

852
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,720
and he's describing it he says well okay

853
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,039
so what's he wearing and then he says oh

854
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,559
he's wearing and he describes the top

855
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,320
and he says but below his waist i can't

856
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,080
see anything it's just like a mist and

857
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,919
so newton says okay go into the future

858
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,679
and tell me what it is and it's the old

859
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,440
idea take a closer look what is it

860
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,120
really and then the guy goes oh it's

861
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,279
just my soul it's just my soul guide

862
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,120
he's putting on a mask of the devil and

863
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,640
he's trying to teach me what it was like

864
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,640
to be scared but when i was scaring

865
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,080
people about going to hell and now

866
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,679
they're he's paying me back and he's

867
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:27,520
it's this joke and that's this idea of

868
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,039
the dream sign when you see a a a shadow

869
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,200
figure wearing a hat you got to go like

870
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,960
what's going on here or i even posted

871
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,039
last night i have this joke where when

872
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,440
people are talking to people on on board

873
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,200
the ship they'll say uh on the ship and

874
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,960
they'll say hey did were you scared did

875
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,799
you probe you were you you know did you

876
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,880
get injured and also stuff and i always

877
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,640
ask the question hey you signed neoli

878
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,559
alien yeah yeah do you have any clothes

879
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:52,000
on and they gotta go

880
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,919
no i never thought about no i didn't get

881
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,200
any clothes you don't think that was

882
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,720
strange and they go yeah this kind of

883
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:58,080
strange did you have any sex organ

884
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:59,039
single

885
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,399
no come to think of it no he didn't have

886
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,679
a sex organs and just don't you think

887
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:04,080
that's strange and and and and you go

888
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
through all these things you have a

889
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,360
mouth again

890
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,159
uh some of them don't have eyes and and

891
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,840
a hair i mean if you're an advanced

892
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,240
alien being from another planet and you

893
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,399
go across the galaxy how have they not

894
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,159
invented hair you think that'd be the

895
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,600
first thing a guy would have done i want

896
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,919
to get some hair or women oh we gotta

897
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,000
get some you know we gotta and hair and

898
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,440
you see all these bizarre things so when

899
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,679
you look at the the whole basin you see

900
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,399
this whole thing that is it's it's a

901
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,240
it's a phenomena

902
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,919
that goes across all bases not just

903
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,840
skinwalker ranch and the other important

904
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:37,840
thing about the whole basin thing was

905
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,880
that if you can create a physical

906
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,320
building in the physical world you can

907
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,240
create a spiritual thing in the

908
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,919
spiritual world and that's where this

909
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,360
whole thing about the curse thing comes

910
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,840
from that that may be a very big part of

911
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,840
this thing that that whole area is

912
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,480
infested with this you know indians

913
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,840
putting curses on each other and all

914
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,000
this kind of stuff that we we sort of

915
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,159
think that's all hocus pocus but we know

916
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,000
that when someone commits suicide or

917
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,600
someone gets murdered in a house that

918
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,279
when you go ghost hunting a sensitive

919
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,200
will pick this stuff up that that that

920
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,159
energy sticks around or even people when

921
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,720
i do the the evil alien thing always

922
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,519
want to throw kolaris at me so i say uh

923
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,519
okay take a close look at claire's

924
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,679
because oh two people die and and

925
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,240
jacques valet pointed out jock says well

926
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,399
it says when you look at that those ass

927
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,840
that aspect you got to look at the

928
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,360
culture of the people

929
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,799
they go to

930
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,399
roman catholic services in the morning

931
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,240
and they go to umbanda services in the

932
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,240
evening and all these people were into

933
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,080
this sort of the witchcraft and the the

934
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,840
stuff and you put you point a bone in

935
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,360
somebody and they die within four or

936
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,880
five hours and if you take a look at the

937
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,799
woman who died they were believing that

938
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,240
these things were sucking blood out of

939
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,159
people now i i'm we did the book on the

940
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,000
triangles where we show people triangles

941
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,919
on their wrists with the little little

942
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,440
dots where they they're making triangles

943
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,120
or they're making a red triangle and

944
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,559
stuff like that and saying the question

945
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,000
is like why are they putting triangles

946
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,679
on people's wrists but this is like

947
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,360
symbols this is trying to give you a

948
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,960
message but they thought they were

949
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,480
having their blood sucked out everybody

950
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:04,000
believed the same thing oh these holes

951
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,440
they were sucking our blood out and they

952
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,679
so they they called it uh chupachupra

953
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,200
like chupacabra they were sucking our

954
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,440
blood and the one woman was freaking out

955
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,519
and she had died of a heart attack now

956
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,600
to me that looks like like the same sort

957
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,519
of thing as a voodoo hex if you believe

958
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,039
in this kind of stuff and someone points

959
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,399
a bone at you and you believe that

960
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,159
you're gone you're gone within a couple

961
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,240
of hours so this is this whole idea it's

962
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,919
this culture you gotta look at the

963
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,080
culture of the people and the fact that

964
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,840
your thoughts are things thoughts are

965
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,360
creating things and we sort of think

966
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,440
they just sort of float away and when

967
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,840
you when you look at the the

968
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,840
the base in there that's what i think

969
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,840
you're creating or even the idea that

970
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,679
what you do there's this theory about

971
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,519
nobody's ever seen anybody doing a

972
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,960
cattle mutilation and the

973
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:47,279
caterpillations all occur uh east of the

974
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:48,399
rockies

975
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,279
basin and one of the theories was it was

976
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,960
all downwind and downstream from nuclear

977
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,960
power activities that this is something

978
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,519
that jacques ballet sort of this idea

979
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,200
that the world is

980
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,240
is is one unit and then when you disturb

981
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,840
it it's like a boil breaks out and these

982
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,120
things are happening and it's not really

983
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,440
anybody doing it that these things are

984
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,720
occurring because of something you did

985
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,640
be in the past and that's i think what

986
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,080
the lesson we have to learn is that

987
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,320
whatever or is bashar the channeler says

988
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,159
whatever you put out comes back that

989
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,440
what we're putting into the field is

990
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,720
coming back and you may not be able to

991
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,320
see it but that's the lesson i think

992
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,360
we're going to learn from this whole

993
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,519
ufology thing is that thoughts are

994
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,360
things and you can actually

995
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,960
create things

996
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,519
get injured by things and that this

997
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,559
there's another whole aspect of reality

998
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,519
that that is there and by using

999
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,600
whatever contact modality you want you

1000
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,960
change your vibration like in in

1001
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,559
psychedelic says number one thing you

1002
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,200
you you experience is this very heavy

1003
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,519
vibration as you're about to go out and

1004
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,880
it's like they're changing the channel

1005
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,559
almost like the same with experiences

1006
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,840
we'll talk about they're in their bed

1007
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,200
and and they know the beings are coming

1008
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,640
they're vibrating and it's like they're

1009
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:57,039
taking them out or or i say when a lot

1010
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,840
of

1011
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,360
moving you into a different field is

1012
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,440
this whole thing of disassociation of

1013
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:03,120
trauma people don't want trauma they

1014
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,320
don't want injury and stuff like that

1015
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,919
but if you take a look at very psychic

1016
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,560
people a lot of stuff 37 percent of all

1017
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,280
near-death uh people who are experiences

1018
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,679
that have nearly experiences they've had

1019
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,480
a lot of trauma and trauma will rip the

1020
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,240
veil and it'll put you into the other

1021
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,320
field so you you start looking at

1022
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,480
everything as just experience and

1023
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,440
different uh aspects and once once you

1024
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,280
uh rip the veil then you can pick this

1025
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,639
sort of thing up and some people are

1026
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,800
better at it than others but i think we

1027
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,639
have a lot to learn we're still into

1028
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,639
this materialistic world which is is

1029
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,480
starting to fade away where people

1030
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,480
realize there's more than the material

1031
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,560
world but that i think was the main

1032
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,320
message that the the aliens want to

1033
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,800
cross is this idea it's not as material

1034
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,960
as you think it is and the whole oneness

1035
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,280
concept that whatever you whatever you

1036
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,599
do it's all one thing you are connected

1037
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,040
to everything around you whether you

1038
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:55,200
like it or not and when you start to

1039
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,520
realize that uh then things will um

1040
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,359
will will start to change until then as

1041
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,839
long as i believe that you're you're

1042
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,440
different than me then i can say you're

1043
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,960
bad i can kill you and i can do whatever

1044
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,800
i would steal your stuff and the

1045
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,320
division is becoming worse and worse in

1046
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,480
the world as it divides i think that's

1047
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,839
the number one message the beings are

1048
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,680
trying to bring it to us is the fact

1049
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,200
that everything is one everything is

1050
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,079
connected it's all the same thing

1051
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,839
yeah and i think

1052
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,000
absolutely can't agree more with what

1053
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,920
your statements have been um i think

1054
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,480
remote viewing has become a popular sort

1055
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,520
of catchphrase but more legitimate

1056
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,359
almost like a hook upon which to hang

1057
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,760
people's research hats and this this

1058
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:37,200
these are the sorts of things that are

1059
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,720
being judged by skeptics the tic tac

1060
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,520
remote viewing what place does

1061
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,000
remote viewing have in the research of

1062
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,920
consciousness and ufo research in

1063
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,680
general here

1064
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,359
well that's why i say it's so critically

1065
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,200
important it's it's this idea that

1066
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,200
everything if there's no time and space

1067
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200
everything is here and now that you can

1068
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,200
go in like tesla you can go in and you

1069
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,800
can you can grab inventions from the

1070
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,880
future and stuff like that we're the the

1071
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,480
remote viewing has still become it's

1072
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,720
become operational it's like uh we're

1073
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,079
gonna use it for this we're gonna use it

1074
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,920
to heal we're gonna use it to figure out

1075
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,000
where missing children are and we've

1076
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,520
made it into this operational thing and

1077
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,040
there really is nobody who's actually

1078
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,720
trying to figure out how the heck does

1079
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,320
remote viewing work because when you

1080
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,320
look at it when you actually look

1081
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:22,560
seriously at what's going on it is the

1082
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,079
most unbelievable thing that you you

1083
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,079
just get a number and you close your

1084
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,320
eyes and you can actually pick up this

1085
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,720
thing and you can you can move around it

1086
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,240
and stuff like that or you can get into

1087
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,680
people's heads which is one of the

1088
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:37,359
consciousness things that i'm i'm still

1089
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,480
trying to do

1090
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,839
and i'm going to try to get ions

1091
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,680
involved in this and this is whole idea

1092
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:43,920
that jay-z knight had with the with the

1093
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,880
um with her dna where she claimed that

1094
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,240
when she was

1095
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,560
channeling rampa they did this dna test

1096
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,800
three different tests and that her dna

1097
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,119
had changed from a man from a woman to a

1098
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:58,240
man from french to icelandic or whatever

1099
00:37:03,510 --> 00:36:59,839
and this is this whole idea that your

1100
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,520
consciousness is your dna and so um you

1101
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,040
you take things like in a remote viewing

1102
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,640
where you get um

1103
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,200
lin buchanan buchanan talks about being

1104
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,240
able to

1105
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,119
um meld with people's minds which kind

1106
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,440
of uh one of the reasons i stopped the

1107
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,760
the psychedelic thing is i ran into

1108
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,599
three cases where

1109
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,760
uh i think they may have got and they

1110
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,920
may have it and i was asking people do

1111
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,599
they have this operational can they

1112
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,800
actually get in your mind because i was

1113
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,280
actually talking to people who i

1114
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,920
to me clearly were on computers and

1115
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,599
actually were threatening to take me off

1116
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,280
the board and stuff like that and i'm

1117
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,599
going and i was so petrified and so it

1118
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,200
was are they trying to take out the ego

1119
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,720
is that me taking that taking out the

1120
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,440
ego or is that actually me actually

1121
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,040
interacting with these people so when

1122
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,400
you take a look at

1123
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,640
lynn buchanan he says the same thing he

1124
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,040
said when he did the target of saddam

1125
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,800
hussein

1126
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,040
he said when he got into his head and he

1127
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,040
became one he melded with him and became

1128
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,040
one the people reported that his eyes

1129
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,200
turned from blue to brown and i said

1130
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:03,680
that's dna and that's his whole idea is

1131
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,640
that the dna is is is much more complex

1132
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,000
than people think it is and it may

1133
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,520
actually be have a consciousness

1134
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,240
interlake in your interface or another

1135
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
one was uh paul selick who's a a

1136
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,119
channeler who's channeled 10 books

1137
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,720
without any changes he basically

1138
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,880
channels it and his basic concept is

1139
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,560
everything is divine what you separate

1140
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,240
from the divine and put into darkness

1141
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,920
will drag you into the darkness with it

1142
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,359
whatever you damn damage you back it's

1143
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,760
his oneness concept and he says that

1144
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,440
when he channels his eyes turned from

1145
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:32,560
blue

1146
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,440
hear later on that he

1147
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,119
saw his spirit guide one time and the

1148
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,200
spirit guide had blue eyes and so it's

1149
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,560
this whole idea is that the the the the

1150
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,160
whole remote viewing thing is way more

1151
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,920
complex than people think it and it's

1152
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,680
the base but it's the bottom line of how

1153
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,599
this thing works is that everything is

1154
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,520
consciousness and because some people

1155
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,800
will interview me to say let me okay

1156
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:56,000
i'll ask you another question don't say

1157
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,599
everything's consciousness everything's

1158
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,440
consciousness that it's what deepak

1159
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,760
chopra says everything is an activity

1160
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,320
inside consciousness everything is is in

1161
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,720
your head it goes through your head and

1162
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,800
you're interpreting it you interpret red

1163
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,800
and green and things are solid and stuff

1164
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,560
like that and because we've done that

1165
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,680
we've made all these mistakes about the

1166
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:15,119
world is flat the sun goes around the

1167
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,560
earth with the center of the universe

1168
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,920
and all this kind of stuff everything's

1169
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,400
solid and the more we go along with the

1170
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,320
more we realize that no it's not that

1171
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,320
way and i would say the bottom line the

1172
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,560
remote viewing thing is it's all one

1173
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,960
thing and if you can clear your mind as

1174
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,680
joe mcmonicle says and get in the field

1175
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,440
you can go past

1176
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,920
future uh other side of the world other

1177
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,440
side of the galaxy everything is

1178
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,240
accessible and it's all it's all mental

1179
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,800
material and the mind is able to find it

1180
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,720
that's the most bizarre thing the mind

1181
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,400
is able to absolutely know what the

1182
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,480
target is go to the target and start

1183
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,920
describing it and as long as you don't

1184
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,079
have the analytical overlay

1185
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,839
as long as you don't allow the conscious

1186
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,280
mind back in and that's where they

1187
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,960
talked about this whole idea that i

1188
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,640
discovered and i thought i'd sort of i

1189
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,839
was going to get the nobel prize i

1190
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,200
thought i'd really discovered something

1191
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,800
and that was his right brain left brain

1192
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
thing was that that

1193
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,640
when when you're

1194
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,920
when you're guessing as soon as you

1195
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
start to guess at a remote viewing

1196
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,880
target it's game over because then the

1197
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,400
left brain is taking over and it's it's

1198
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,520
trying to get in there and i know what

1199
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,200
it is you know it's the king's chamber

1200
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,720
and the king the pyramid and and all

1201
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,000
that sort of stuff and it's game over

1202
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,319
you've got to simply stay in the in the

1203
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,160
right brain you've got to just describe

1204
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,839
what you feel what you sense what you

1205
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,640
taste and do not guess at what it is and

1206
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,480
so i remember when i suddenly discovered

1207
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,480
this whole thing i i went to hell put

1208
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,240
off and i said hell hell it's this whole

1209
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,599
thing it's like the right brain left

1210
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,960
brain if you shut off the left brain you

1211
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,640
can you can access all this material

1212
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,079
whatever and i said you're look at that

1213
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,440
remote doing when you were doing a broke

1214
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
doing and he and hell is very short he's

1215
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,520
very you know he doesn't i guess he got

1216
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,960
a lot of emails so he writes me back and

1217
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,520
he says read chapter six of my book i

1218
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,640
read it's about right right at that

1219
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
prank and they knew this in the 1970s

1220
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,800
this whole thing that the the the right

1221
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,200
the left brain is rational analytical

1222
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,960
but it's causing all this noise and it's

1223
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,400
keeping you in the physical world it's

1224
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,400
trying to keep you here it's making up a

1225
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,000
bunch of garbage all the time and stuff

1226
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,319
like that and when you can shut it out

1227
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,480
that's the whole idea how it turned for

1228
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,960
me it was this noetic thing when you are

1229
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,800
in the right brain and the material

1230
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,359
comes to you it comes with absolute

1231
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,280
certainty you know how this works i

1232
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,720
remember the second one i got the first

1233
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,319
one i got was the one where it said this

1234
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,920
is consciousness you want to know what

1235
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,760
because in 75 i had my sightings first

1236
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,359
night i had it i was blown away i mean i

1237
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,319
just fell off the edge of the earth i

1238
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,599
couldn't believe what i was seeing the

1239
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,520
second night i saw it it came right at

1240
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,240
me

1241
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,839
and this is a couple nights later and

1242
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,359
then it made this turn and flew away and

1243
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,640
i'm watching it as it's flying away i'm

1244
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,400
going like what's it doing it's not

1245
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,319
doing anything it's silly and i'm trying

1246
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,359
and i said well somebody's gotta know

1247
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,040
what's going on here and so when i got

1248
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,359
that download it basically said to me

1249
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,480
you know what you wanted that question

1250
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,480
in 1975 what's going on it's

1251
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,240
consciousness and it came with this

1252
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,160
absolute certainty so it happened it's

1253
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,480
happened a number of times but 2017 i'm

1254
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,560
walking down the street i i walk an

1255
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,960
awful lot so i'm walking i'm two miles

1256
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,800
in i'm going to walk six miles downtown

1257
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,160
and i'm walking along and all of a

1258
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,640
sudden it starts to come and and people

1259
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,240
who have noetic experiences will tell

1260
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,480
you when it comes you know get the pad

1261
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
out and start writing this is this write

1262
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,839
this down write this down and it's

1263
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,200
coming into my head and i'm writing this

1264
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,880
stuff and it's it's all these ideas

1265
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,119
about uh is it is the world made out of

1266
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,800
little nuts and bones if it is that's

1267
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,319
one world but if it's consciousness

1268
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,240
that's a whole different world and all

1269
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,760
the rules are going to change is it one

1270
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,680
life if it's one life well then that's

1271
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,880
one world with certain rules and

1272
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,560
regulations but if it's multiple lives

1273
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,000
everything's going to change and it was

1274
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,480
these things about about you know random

1275
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,400
and pattern and it was and i'm trying to

1276
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,920
write it down i get about 15 of them or

1277
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,599
whatever and then it sort of fades away

1278
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,040
i put the pen in my pocket put the piece

1279
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,800
of paper when i start walking and about

1280
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,000
three or four minutes later suddenly

1281
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,599
starts coming back again get the pan out

1282
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,880
take my glove off start writing this

1283
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,720
stuff down and that's that's the

1284
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,079
important part that's the whole thing

1285
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
with remote viewing is that the material

1286
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,480
that you're going to get in the field is

1287
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,960
going to be accurate material rather

1288
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,560
than the rational analytical stuff is

1289
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,400
just guessing that's what the left brain

1290
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,839
is just guessing it's looking at it it's

1291
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,640
trying to guess based upon past past

1292
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,119
history and and so when you can

1293
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,119
dissociate and and move into the field

1294
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,440
and a lot of times you see that with

1295
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,599
because i see these weird things in ufos

1296
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,760
like for example people will report you

1297
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:12,160
see this all the time the person wakes

1298
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,040
up

1299
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,720
and there's two ugly looking aliens

1300
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,960
staring at them and and the aliens are

1301
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,480
looking at them and they just absolutely

1302
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,240
freak out of course you would freak out

1303
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,480
and so and i'm going like why would the

1304
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,000
aliens do this why would they come say

1305
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,640
ryan wake up wake up ryan wake up and

1306
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,960
then look at me i'm i'm this evil alien

1307
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,040
and then you go ah and what the and what

1308
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,480
i started to think is they're getting

1309
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,480
you to dissociate it's the thing the

1310
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,440
same thing you go through in

1311
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,520
psychedelics is this fear thing where

1312
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,440
they take you and crush the ego and you

1313
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,119
surrender and as soon as you surrender

1314
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,960
what is it what does the alien say tap

1315
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,319
you on the head saying okay go back to

1316
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,520
sleep and the people and i asked the

1317
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,720
people what do you do i pulled the

1318
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,000
covers over my head went to sleep

1319
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,760
instantaneously and i said does that

1320
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,680
make any sense to you and it's this idea

1321
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,599
okay he's ready to go take him you know

1322
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,119
you have to get the guy to dissociate

1323
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,480
you got to shut down the left brain and

1324
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,160
that's what i think they're doing what

1325
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,240
why otherwise why would aliens come into

1326
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,359
your room and schedule the living

1327
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,880
daylights out of you they can take you

1328
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,720
anytime they want they don't have to

1329
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,119
do that kind of stuff and that's what

1330
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,960
when it all comes down to me it's all

1331
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,079
going to be

1332
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,160
going back to consciousness and the more

1333
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,079
i go i mean even though it sounds a

1334
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,599
little egotistical i actually think i'm

1335
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,800
starting to understand what's going on

1336
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,720
here everything starts to make sense and

1337
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,359
when you get into the field where uh

1338
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,200
you're on the right track stuff starts

1339
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,680
to flow i have n i have stuff is coming

1340
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,480
in so fast i can't read it fast now uh

1341
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,400
the the right broadcasts are coming and

1342
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,240
you get these synchronicities where it's

1343
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
gonna hear this and it's like slow down

1344
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,839
i can't pick this stuff up but it's all

1345
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,119
going in that direction it's all going

1346
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
in this idea

1347
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,400
that it's all the whole world is

1348
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,240
consciousness and once you learn to

1349
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,160
control this and the beings can do this

1350
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,839
they can move in or you even have like

1351
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,920
uh i don't know if you've interviewed uh

1352
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:49,200
uh

1353
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,440
ronan who's an experiencer out of um

1354
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,800
out of israel he's got one of the top

1355
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,960
100 books i helped him publish his book

1356
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,520
and he had the the the beings that came

1357
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,040
to him they were green beans looked like

1358
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,680
grace they were green like lime green

1359
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:06,000
and um they they came to him and they

1360
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,040
told him this whole thing about the

1361
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,880
oneness and all this kind of stuff and

1362
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,400
he said when they left

1363
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,400
they basically put

1364
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,319
held hands and they started to spin in a

1365
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,480
circle they became translucent turned

1366
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,920
into a ball light the ball light got

1367
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,760
smaller and disappeared and that's

1368
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,839
another thing is is you see all sorts of

1369
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,720
experiences uh nancy tremaine was

1370
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,839
another one i helped her publish her

1371
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,680
books the first time she saw it was a

1372
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,599
reptilian next time she saw it was a

1373
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,440
human being and the third time and then

1374
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,440
now she sees it it's like a trans it's

1375
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,359
like an energy being so it's a three

1376
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,720
different it's the same being but it's

1377
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,240
three different things they can appear

1378
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,359
as whatever they want that's what they

1379
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,680
told the oc ronin when we come into your

1380
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,280
world we have to take on a body we can

1381
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
take out whatever body we want to appear

1382
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,440
to you but we don't need a body you

1383
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,640
don't need one either you just don't

1384
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,440
know it and it's this concept that we

1385
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,079
are starting to understand it i'm saying

1386
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,520
the more i look at it the more it looks

1387
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,280
like it's not going to be ep the way

1388
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,160
people think it is it's this sort of uh

1389
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,400
consciousness thing where all the

1390
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,079
world's a stage all the men and women

1391
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,400
are but all the men and women and aliens

1392
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,560
are but actors they have their entrances

1393
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,160
and their exits and each band plays many

1394
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,880
roles so we have to remember we are not

1395
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,119
the actor on the stage you are not ryan

1396
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,200
when you die i may come to you and say

1397
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,760
ryan you get the academy award you

1398
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,920
actually believed you were right i mean

1399
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,359
you actually you bought the whole thing

1400
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
man you were related and we have to

1401
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,640
remember who we actually are we are not

1402
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,640
the character on the stage we are

1403
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,960
playing a character on the stage big

1404
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,240
difference and and that's what the

1405
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,000
beings are doing as well so they're

1406
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,440
playing aliens we're playing human

1407
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,040
beings we're all playing this little

1408
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,560
thing to learn lessons and we're moving

1409
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,119
along and we may be the beings next time

1410
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,480
maybe us the next time and that's what i

1411
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,000
that's where i'm going with with the

1412
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:47,839
research i'm doing

1413
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,040
and you know that i i like how

1414
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,000
your research it does tie in a lot of

1415
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,920
things into consciousness like remote

1416
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,400
viewing ufo research things going on in

1417
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,640
the uintah basin uh

1418
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:03,599
the whole bigelow ranch phenomenon which

1419
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,240
is

1420
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,599
wild to me

1421
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:06,640
um

1422
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,319
but yeah what what do you see uh well

1423
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,640
let's go into what what you have coming

1424
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,079
up because i know you have a lot more

1425
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,160
information coming out soon

1426
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,079
okay so you asked what what what i'm

1427
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,680
doing now i'm working on three books at

1428
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,520
the same time so the the one that

1429
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,440
probably coming out first is a book on

1430
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,680
ports of manifestation which has always

1431
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,960
fascinated me

1432
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,640
and that is because i've done a lot of

1433
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,800
research on physical mediumship which i

1434
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,839
think is one of the most important

1435
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,240
things people can study and that's where

1436
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,680
people are in these sales things and

1437
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,440
they can make stuff appear and the

1438
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,920
biggest story in that whole field is

1439
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:41,839
leslie kane the story that leslie kane

1440
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:45,359
tells of being in stuart alexander's uh

1441
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,160
uh

1442
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,880
sales a number of times and when i got

1443
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,720
to interview her i made sure i got her

1444
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,200
to tell the whole story i said leslie

1445
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,200
tell me the story about the hand

1446
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,119
actually touches the hand

1447
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,200
and she says you can feel it it's it's

1448
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,760
it's soft like a baby's hand but it's

1449
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,920
it's a real hand and she could feel the

1450
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,440
knuckles she could feel the muscles she

1451
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,880
can feel all sort of stuff and she's

1452
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,720
feeling the hand and then the hand bangs

1453
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,240
on the table and then it just sort of

1454
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,839
fades away and goes back underneath the

1455
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,440
table and i say if you want to know

1456
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,280
what's going on this is what's going on

1457
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,599
it's coming in from another

1458
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,040
dimension

1459
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,119
area vibration whatever you want to call

1460
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,800
it it comes in the physical world and it

1461
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,720
goes back again that's what the ufo

1462
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,079
thinks about that's what they're doing

1463
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,760
they understand this sort of thing and

1464
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,599
she said she had seen this demo a number

1465
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,520
of times that she had seen it and i

1466
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,400
thought that was one of the most

1467
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,920
important stories but you have this

1468
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,400
whole idea where you have these uh

1469
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,720
things appearing out of out of nowhere

1470
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,640
that drop out of the ceiling and they

1471
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,400
always have meaning like

1472
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,920
you'll have a

1473
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,680
colonel halt had one that stuff is

1474
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,520
coming in from another another area that

1475
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,359
the ghosts the aliens they all live in

1476
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,680
these other realms that we can't access

1477
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,680
and they can pop in so you you get to

1478
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,559
support

1479
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,319
patient and manifestation happening

1480
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,920
around all the experiences they all

1481
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,359
basically have the same sort of thing

1482
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,960
happening where

1483
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,720
uh you know these weird things and even

1484
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,920
the ones i have i can tell you the ones

1485
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,760
that happen to me because again you have

1486
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,960
these synchronicity things the first

1487
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,319
time i ever heard about a port i didn't

1488
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:09,839
even know it was i'm talking to ray

1489
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,319
hernandez from the free we're at lax

1490
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,839
airport and we're waiting for an uber to

1491
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,280
come and it takes forever it's like half

1492
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,720
an hour and i'm saying ray what's the

1493
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,640
best case here you've got he said i got

1494
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,400
this guy his name is alberto and he's

1495
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,760
got these these things are falling out

1496
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,160
of the ceiling swords and stuff and go

1497
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,359
there what

1498
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,440
he said yeah there's stuff see stuff

1499
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,960
ports and it's a porter wait how do you

1500
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:31,359
spell that you see and i said this is

1501
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,240
the weirdest thing i've ever heard in my

1502
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,400
life so i go from there and i go to

1503
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,040
lawson nevada and i'm going to to

1504
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,119
lecture there uh to paul harris

1505
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,440
conference and i get there and i thought

1506
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,480
i mean there are a couple days earlier

1507
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,599
i'm going to study but the support thing

1508
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,240
so i started looking and i realized that

1509
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,920
a guy being a standard cripner was a big

1510
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,520
parapsychologist in the united states

1511
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,680
and he had this thing where he said he

1512
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,319
was working with this brazilian uh

1513
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,240
uh psychic who was making all this stuff

1514
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,839
appear out of nowhere it's bought stuff

1515
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,760
falling and stuff like that and it

1516
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,440
actually happened at

1517
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,680
uh that's why i say the the metal

1518
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,440
material is is a ports could i set the

1519
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,200
hell put on i said hell come on this is

1520
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,960
the ports it's not falling off the

1521
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,040
flying saucer and and i said you had

1522
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,119
this happen back in the in the days of

1523
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,440
sri where they were doing yuri geller so

1524
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,720
they had yuri geller and they took him

1525
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,400
for for dinner and you're a geller's

1526
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,920
eating ice cream and all said he bites

1527
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,520
fights down and something cuts his lip

1528
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,760
he pulls it out and and edgar mitchell's

1529
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,440
sitting at the table with hell put off

1530
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,760
and it's edgar mitchell's flight pin

1531
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,160
from from he said he'd lost in houston

1532
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,480
two days two years before and he goes

1533
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,920
where'd you get that from me takes it

1534
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,440
and they go back to the lab and they're

1535
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,880
in the lab and you're geller's in the

1536
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,599
other room and help it off and and and

1537
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,599
and edgar mitchell are standing there

1538
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,359
and the other half of the pain falls in

1539
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,559
behind them and they stink and they look

1540
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,480
behind and the half of the pin so i said

1541
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,000
to help come on hell you know these are

1542
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,240
reports you know this and he said we'll

1543
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,319
we'll investigate the materials one step

1544
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,559
at a time so he didn't deny it but he's

1545
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,760
investigating the material what it's

1546
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,440
made up and i think that's all a waste

1547
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,200
of time that you know they're just gonna

1548
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,200
have all these weird things even the one

1549
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,880
with gary nolan remember the latest one

1550
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,960
with gary nolan i did uh youtube on that

1551
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,720
i was just floored by that when i heard

1552
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,640
gary nolan said they had the yubatuba

1553
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:11,200
pieces from brazil this thing explodes

1554
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,000
you know it's

1555
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,839
like a big demo and explodes all stuff

1556
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,359
comes raining down and they've got these

1557
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:17,440
two pieces and the one has the isotopes

1558
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,480
messed up and the other one is

1559
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:20,880
completely completely

1560
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,839
uh similar to our material and it's from

1561
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,520
the same crash and so why would they do

1562
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,280
that and it's like it's the theory of

1563
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,599
wow they want you to go wow what the

1564
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:31,119
hell is going on and you're trying to

1565
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,240
figure it out and what they're trying to

1566
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:34,559
do is break down that material mindset

1567
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,599
they're trying to

1568
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,000
knock out the the the left brain eagle

1569
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,040
the ego is trying to figure out how does

1570
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,839
this thing work and and and so when when

1571
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,760
ray told me the story i go and i'm

1572
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,839
reading this thing about about uh

1573
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,160
krypton all these these weird things

1574
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,839
started to happen so i'm reading and he

1575
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,000
says i had all these supports from this

1576
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,119
psychic in in brazil and i and i go and

1577
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,640
i they all get stolen someone breaks

1578
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,680
into the house and steals all these

1579
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,319
things and he says so i decided that i i

1580
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,400
would protect the next ones so the next

1581
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,480
ones i got i sent them all

1582
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,880
to the uni to a university in canada and

1583
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,480
i'm reading and he says center for the

1584
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,000
university of manitoba and i'm going oh

1585
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,319
my god i worked there for 37 years and i

1586
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,319
go what's the chances of this and i'm

1587
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,559
not really into it and i go to i go to

1588
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,880
the conference and uh this whole thing

1589
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,920
with the feathers if you've heard the

1590
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:21,280
story but the feather starts there's

1591
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,559
this guy from great britain he's got

1592
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:24,160
these he wants to show me these photos

1593
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,440
of ufos and i said i'm not an

1594
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,960
interesting ufo photographs and stuff

1595
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,720
like that and he said he came from great

1596
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:30,079
britain he wants to talk to you came all

1597
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,280
the way to see you and i go okay

1598
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,720
whatever so i go up to the room and he

1599
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,240
showed me these photographs and then i

1600
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:37,040
says to him and i and i says hey so

1601
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,400
i'm gonna ask the question you ever hear

1602
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,480
anything fly across the room or fall

1603
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,079
under the ceiling he said oh yeah he

1604
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,520
starts telling me this story about how

1605
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,359
he came to the conference where he says

1606
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,680
i i want to go and he said i need a sign

1607
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,119
he's standing in his backyard and his

1608
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,880
feather falls down at his feet and he

1609
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,720
goes that's kind of weird so he goes up

1610
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,319
next day and he it happens again he asks

1611
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,920
the question again and again and again

1612
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,359
and then he goes to his wife and says i

1613
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,440
got to go to lachlan nevada and she says

1614
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,440
tony are you crazy you're very very sick

1615
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,880
you're a sick man you've got two young

1616
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,400
kids you've never left the country

1617
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,680
you're going to go to lafayette nevada

1618
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:07,200
to see some guy who's probably not even

1619
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,920
more

1620
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,520
then you want to see you and he said i

1621
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,440
got to sign these feathers kept falling

1622
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,200
and then she says so

1623
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,920
she she says okay so she she goes to

1624
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:18,000
work and she says okay to herself okay i

1625
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,440
want to see if this is for real she says

1626
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,800
okay my husband's seeing these feathers

1627
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,280
falling so if this is real i want to see

1628
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,359
a feather on the london bridge she goes

1629
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,200
into london and and she's walking across

1630
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,559
the bridge and she's never seen a

1631
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,680
feather on the bridge and she goes off

1632
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,800
the bridge and there's a feather on

1633
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,520
there

1634
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,880
wow and then he says then she's having

1635
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,559
her little experience and the feathers

1636
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,559
there and then she says okay so she's

1637
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,640
going back on the train that day and she

1638
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,720
says okay okay i want to see a bunch of

1639
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,920
feathers not one feather i want to see

1640
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,079
how a bunch of fencing door opens on the

1641
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,000
train at where they outside of london

1642
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,760
and there's a bush with all these

1643
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,440
feathers stuck in the bush and then she

1644
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,200
says to tony says okay you can go to

1645
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,200
lawson and then he comes and it starts

1646
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,359
at laughlin it keeps going and the whole

1647
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,800
story the british people see them these

1648
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:58,000
feathers are falling they're appearing

1649
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,440
all over the place and i think it's over

1650
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,200
we go to tucson arizona my assistant

1651
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,640
destiny we're going there and we're at

1652
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,160
this church and i you know we're just

1653
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,599
for something to do we're at this church

1654
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,520
and we're sitting there and i'm in the

1655
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,760
gift shop waiting for her to goof around

1656
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,119
the gift shop because guys don't want to

1657
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,119
shop we're just killing time and she's

1658
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,880
shopping in the gift shop and and i see

1659
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:17,040
these these big giant cards and the one

1660
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,319
has a big feather

1661
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,160
in this aboriginal holding this white

1662
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,839
feather i go that's pretty weird but i

1663
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,119
don't want to buy the cards i take this

1664
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,040
camera and i'm photographing this this

1665
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,240
card and i put it down and there's

1666
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,240
another one there's like a dream catcher

1667
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,760
with all these feathers i go oh they got

1668
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,680
another one i pull it up and i take the

1669
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:33,200
photograph and i put the thing down and

1670
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,480
there's desta standing there with a

1671
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,559
feather and going get out of here yeah

1672
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,000
i'll stand here waiting for you outside

1673
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,440
and this feather came and fell on my

1674
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,200
foot and you get that kind of stuff and

1675
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,640
you start to realize like this is for

1676
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,640
weird and then when i gave the lecture

1677
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,079
about this

1678
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,520
and it's hard to explain

1679
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,720
you've probably done have you done

1680
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,760
powerpoint

1681
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,280
a little bit i put it

1682
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:52,480
i put in the book but i don't know if

1683
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,280
people are going to understand it

1684
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,640
because you have to have done a lot of

1685
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,880
powerpoint to understand it so i go to

1686
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,720
give the lecture and i go and i've got

1687
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,960
all these slides and stuff like that i

1688
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,960
get it and you i'm in the hotel room so

1689
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,319
at the last minute i always work on

1690
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,000
until last minute and you got to go test

1691
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,079
it so i i load it and i

1692
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,839
link all the files and stuff put it on

1693
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,480
on a little uh

1694
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:14,240
thumb drive and i go running up to the

1695
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,599
thing and put it in the computer and

1696
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,680
then he says okay go to uh go to an

1697
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,440
audio slide we will make sure the audio

1698
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,200
works and the video works so go ahead

1699
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,520
and click click click click and

1700
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,119
things are all doubled up and what's

1701
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,480
going on here and then he says oh you

1702
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,760
probably made a mistake i said i've done

1703
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,520
powerpoint hundreds of times i know what

1704
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,960
i'm doing and i'm looking i couldn't

1705
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,880
find the audios there was no audios and

1706
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,960
then we opened it up onto the the the

1707
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,520
the so you can see the little little

1708
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,640
tabs and the doubles slides triple

1709
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,440
slides it's somewhere in in four by

1710
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,359
three somewhere in 16 by nine they're

1711
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,079
all pulled the the photograph of the

1712
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,079
tony vince was seeing uh low-flying

1713
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,920
helicopters with ufos in him the

1714
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,079
helicopter sideways and he says oh you

1715
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,079
you may you just understand i said no

1716
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,440
this this is weird something's going on

1717
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,280
and i go i'm racing i'm really mad

1718
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,359
because i got to go reload this thing

1719
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,880
i'm going to reload it again so i go

1720
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
running out and policies if you know

1721
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,599
what's going on don't you say no that's

1722
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,440
not going on following no way that's

1723
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,440
going on i go back and the computer's

1724
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,280
still sitting on in the hotel room and i

1725
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,680
look at the screen it's totally normal

1726
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,119
i'm going what the heck so i take

1727
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,839
everything off the the uh the uh

1728
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,480
the uh thumb drive clean it completely

1729
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:23,119
load it go back same thing and so then

1730
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,079
he says what do you want to do i said

1731
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,440
just take off those double slides i'll

1732
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,280
just wing it and take and so you just

1733
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,960
took all the doubles and triple slides

1734
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:30,319
it was the weirdest thing i was just

1735
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,359
going like

1736
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,760
how did they do this and then it was

1737
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,520
just it's what i call the theory of wow

1738
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,359
they just want you to go wow that's why

1739
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,359
like i say why do you oppose the lights

1740
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,799
on them they have lights on them so you

1741
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,480
can see them they want you to see them

1742
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,480
they want you to go what's going on they

1743
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,440
want to break that material mindset they

1744
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,359
want you to realize something weird is

1745
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,839
going on and and as we all realize more

1746
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,280
and more weird stuff is going on they

1747
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,799
keep dropping the stuff and doing weird

1748
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,599
stuff then it will you you'll you'll

1749
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,799
eventually get to a point where

1750
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,559
everybody's going to figure it out or

1751
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,760
you're going to get that point and

1752
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,280
that's where i say like for example you

1753
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,280
take the tic tac the most interesting

1754
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,280
part of the tic tac story and nobody's

1755
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,119
ever picked up on this i had the same

1756
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,119
thing happen as tic tac so tic tac you

1757
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,359
held the story the the guys are there

1758
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:15,359
and then they they they're the ufos are

1759
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:16,240
sitting there for a week and they're

1760
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,680
going so turn the lights on they can't

1761
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,880
see us come on

1762
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,319
and they're waiting come on come come

1763
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,000
chase let's come chase us and and

1764
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,839
finally they take the f-18s and they go

1765
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,760
racing off and then they say zoro go

1766
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,280
under the water make big giant bubbles

1767
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,880
here they come and then zogar goes and

1768
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:30,160
makes these bubbles and the guy goes oh

1769
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,520
look at the bubbles the water and

1770
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,720
they're flying along and they're chasing

1771
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,319
this thing and then what is the what

1772
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,920
does the ufo do

1773
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,720
it's at 80 000 feet and it drops down to

1774
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,359
sea level in 7 8 of a second now what is

1775
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,599
that is that a pre-abduction maneuver no

1776
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:45,839
that is theory of wow

1777
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,640
on steroids that's watch this boom the

1778
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,040
thing goes down when i got involved the

1779
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,520
only reason i got involved in ufos the

1780
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:54,960
the sightings were taking place for

1781
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,280
three months and and i i uh didn't i i

1782
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,599
had no interest so i was gonna go we

1783
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,680
didn't go and then they took a film and

1784
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,119
what happened on the film is exactly

1785
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,799
what happened to tic-tac these guys

1786
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,040
there there's a tv crew from the

1787
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,040
from the studio here we're going out

1788
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,480
there and they were told they had to be

1789
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,680
a volunteer crew we're not paying

1790
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,119
anymore overtime and they go out and the

1791
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,040
guy had shot the camera had never shot a

1792
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,960
camera before in his life he's a film

1793
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,640
editor he's sitting there and he the

1794
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:22,000
night before they'd almost got it you

1795
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,960
could see this thing it was on the

1796
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,559
ground it was glowing up it was glowing

1797
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,319
down it would glue up and he said they

1798
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,520
didn't get anything last night and i got

1799
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,960
to get something the next time it glows

1800
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,280
up i'm going to shoot and he's it's

1801
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,799
almost like the ufc are you ready to

1802
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,119
shoot and he goes hey push the camera as

1803
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,720
it starts to glow the thing jumps in the

1804
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,000
air jump from

1805
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,079
from ground level to what was estimated

1806
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,079
to be 5 000 feet in 1 8 of a second boom

1807
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,079
it was in the sky like that and that's

1808
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,319
why i went when i saw that come on oh my

1809
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,520
god let's go let's go see what they're

1810
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:51,520
looking at and i i said i thought it was

1811
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,559
like a lottery ticket you buy the

1812
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,000
lottery ticket you're not going to win

1813
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,839
but there's a chance yeah but but i said

1814
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,799
i'm not going to win anything we won't

1815
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,640
see anything and i saw something that's

1816
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,839
what got me into your full thing it

1817
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,520
dragged me in

1818
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,520
into the thing by jumping into the air

1819
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,799
because i've never heard of a story like

1820
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,640
that before so we actually got the

1821
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,480
tic-tac thing we got on film

1822
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,240
they get the story we got on film as

1823
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,000
this thing jumps into the air on a tv

1824
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:15,119
camera from a tv crew so that's to me is

1825
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,720
the whole thing comes down to fear wow

1826
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,559
it comes down to consciousness

1827
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,400
and i think we're moving along quite a

1828
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,799
bit because i know from 2012 when i had

1829
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,640
my consciousness download i couldn't

1830
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,480
spell consciousness couldn't care less

1831
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,480
and nobody cared about consciousness now

1832
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,599
even the people who aren't in the

1833
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,960
consciousness are talking about because

1834
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:32,160
they know it's a buzzword they know you

1835
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,280
got to talk about this they don't know

1836
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,799
what they're talking about but we've

1837
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,520
come a long way and i think um

1838
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,440
we will eventually figure it out if we

1839
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,799
don't blow ourselves up first because

1840
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,880
that's that's the problem is we have a

1841
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,599
bunch of military people who

1842
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,440
want to develop weapons with this and

1843
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,119
this is going to make nuclear weapons

1844
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,880
look like matchsticks this is powerful

1845
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,680
stuff that they're playing with and um

1846
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,520
hopefully the intelligence behind the

1847
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,079
phenomena will will shut it down i as

1848
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,720
jim semivan said the the cia guy he was

1849
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,520
asked by john alexander uh so who's

1850
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:05,200
running the show here

1851
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,400
and i guess he was referring to in the

1852
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,920
government if this is real who's running

1853
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,160
it and he said they are and that's what

1854
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,680
i believe is happening they are still in

1855
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:14,000
control of things they will basically as

1856
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,119
they told the canadians in

1857
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:18,880
1954 or whatever the canadian guy said

1858
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,000
that he was told by the beings uh we can

1859
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,920
stop a nuclear exchange we will stop a

1860
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,280
nuclear change you are not going to

1861
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,839
contaminate the entire world for

1862
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,760
generations to come but other than that

1863
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,960
we're going to allow the human race to

1864
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,880
stew in its own uses so i think that's

1865
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,920
basically what it is that's why they're

1866
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,280
so interested in nuclear weapons that's

1867
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,480
why they're shutting nuclear weapons

1868
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:38,000
down because that changes everything

1869
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,440
that's not just you can destroy

1870
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,200
yourselves go ahead kill yourselves we

1871
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:43,040
don't really care that's your free ride

1872
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,240
but you're not going to destroy the

1873
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,599
planet

1874
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,880
and i i

1875
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,119
i greatly agree that they do have

1876
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,359
control and and they flex that control

1877
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,799
from time to time just to show you

1878
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,040
because i've never had audio issues like

1879
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,359
i've had on this interview and they're

1880
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,000
out of nowhere but it is it's it's

1881
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,640
amazing what can be done and their their

1882
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,319
limitless control is what it is it

1883
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,599
appears to be

1884
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,520
can't thank you enough for coming on

1885
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,920
thanks so much for talking about uh you

1886
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,720
know the huge list of questions

1887
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:15,599
and i'm looking forward to all the stuff

1888
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,319
you have going on and uh yeah i hope we

1889
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,880
talk again soon grant thanks so much

1890
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,200
beautiful ryan thank you very much

1891
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,319
man there you have it grant cameron

1892
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,160
the epic

1893
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,640
epic researcher who has contributed so

1894
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,319
much to ufology

1895
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:35,200
i i was so excited to talk to him about

1896
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,400
all the things that he's so

1897
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,839
knowledgeable about his books

1898
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,920
i'll tell you what breakthroughs one

1899
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,280
after the other

1900
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:46,000
and when it comes to utah's uinta basin

1901
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,760
in general he has a very intriguing and

1902
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:52,000
interesting list and wealth of

1903
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,440
information so

1904
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,880
uh definitely

1905
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,559
i know that that

1906
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,119
made my day until next time keep your

1907
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:01,440
eyes to the skies feet on the ground but